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Kangen?
Mar 19, 2021 18:44:25 GMT -5
Post by campingcorgis on Mar 19, 2021 18:44:25 GMT -5
Does anybody have a Kangen water machine? Enagic or other? Do you use the "run-off" in your AG's or hydro-gardens? If so, what part are you drinking or what part are you giving the plants? We are considering getting a machine. Wanted one 15 years ago and then life got in the way & never got around to it. There's a new-ish Kangen store nearby, so we stopped in today, since Freddie's was out of our usual alkaline water. Hubby recently had oral surgery so we're feeling the need for the water, more than usual. Any and all input is welcome. Thank you very much!
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Kangen?
Mar 25, 2021 12:18:50 GMT -5
Post by campingcorgis on Mar 25, 2021 12:18:50 GMT -5
Well, no input, but that's okay. #1 - If anyone has a convenient on-the-go water bottle they like, please share info about it!? We've decided that it is in our best interest to go ahead and purchase a drinking water ionizer machine. We've decided not to go with the Enagic Kangen brand, but another one. It will be an under-the-sink models with the spigot inserted into the whole we've been using for a soap dispenser. If I move my selection of cutting, kneading and other boards, the under-the-sink part won't intrude into the space too much and the electric outlet is right there too. Unfortunately, we've gotten conflicting stories on whether or not the system will function properly with our water softener. Yup, we've got one. But, we use Potassium instead of Sodium, as we have a septic tank and we have the softener dump the water it uses for its cleaning cycle into the yard. And, let me tell you, the plants love that water! They are extra green from the potassium, I guess? Anyway, we've decided to plumb a line over to the kitchen sink that will come from the garage, AFTER the whole house filter, but before the whole house water "conditioner/softener". Just to be sure that we don't wreck the new ionizer and so we can avoid putting in a RO system just to treat the softened water to go into the ionizer. Make sense? While we do have "city water," the water is from an Artesian Well about 2 miles west of us, as the crow flies, and I've heard the well water warnings too! I heard all the warnings about not using softened water for AG's, but I decided to try it anyway. If it didn't work, I could always get water from the yard spigots that doesn't go thru the softener system. But now, I kind of wonder if the extra TINY BIT of potassium that gets added to our water (about 100-150 mg to 2 liters of water, if memory serves) might actually have a beneficial effect on my AG plants. See this article about Potassium and Hydroponics -- I sometimes wonder if it helps my Red Sails and Marvel or 4 Seasons to be so incredibly red. Or any number of other good things I see in my AG gardens. Bottom line, we are looking forward to have the higher PH water available in our home and not having to pick up the bottled stuff anymore! Oh, we are having our water run thru a number of tests later today. Same guy that did our conditioner/softener system. Although he knows we are not going to buy his RO system, he has become a friend and is interested in our new project anyway! Let me know on the water bottles you carry!! Thanks!
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Kangen?
Mar 25, 2021 12:45:43 GMT -5
Post by Sher on Mar 25, 2021 12:45:43 GMT -5
Potassium is an essential ingredient in fertilizer, so as long as you don't get too much, it probably wouldn't hurt.
The only problem that might arise is potential nutrient lockout due to too much potassium. But you could watch your plants and see how they respond.
I'd go for it.
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Post by maskedsonnet on Mar 25, 2021 12:47:21 GMT -5
Good luck! I've never had any sort of filtration or softening system for water, so I'm pretty clueless there. On the go I just use a Yeti tumbler with the magnetic slide lid, I've always found bottles hard to clean.
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Mar 25, 2021 12:59:07 GMT -5
Post by campingcorgis on Mar 25, 2021 12:59:07 GMT -5
Good luck! I've never had any sort of filtration or softening system for water, so I'm pretty clueless there. On the go I just use a Yeti tumbler with the magnetic slide lid, I've always found bottles hard to clean. Thanks! I'll take a look at the Yeti stuff. I know there stuff is good quality...and there are a few places nearby that carry them. It isn't one that I've looked at, so maybe that is just the ticket! I need to easily calculate how much water I'm drinking and I find a carry bottle is the easiest thing.
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Mar 25, 2021 13:10:54 GMT -5
Post by campingcorgis on Mar 25, 2021 13:10:54 GMT -5
Potassium is an essential ingredient in fertilizer, so as long as you don't get too much, it probably wouldn't hurt.
The only problem that might arise is potential nutrient lockout due to too much potassium. But you could watch your plants and see how they respond.
I'd go for it.
Thanks, Sher. We do already have the Conditioner/Softener. That is the water I've been using for my AGs. When we put that system in, it was to save our fixtures and appliances. And it has done a great job for that. We also got spoiled with the water in the showers too, so, now we have to travel with a small system for the RV too! I cannot shower without it! Now, I want to have Ionized water, right from our home tap, for our health and healing. Ionized water has been used in hospitals in Japan for 40+ years, I think? We are careful to buy the bottled stuff, when we are ailing or needing to heal. But, we aren't getting any younger and now, we think it is time to be serious about our water. After all, we humans are a big bag of water! More than 50% water, some folks as much as 70% water...depending on age, weight, etc. So, we feel the water we are drinking is very important. We notice the difference when we drink Essentia and Alkaline 88. More alert. Less sleepiness after meals. More energy! I'll leave it at that...LOL...but there's more. The plants will continue to get the conditioned/softened water from the kitchen sink. We'll have a separate device mounted that will be for our drinking water...and there are settings to use for cleaning water and all sorts of things in between too. A learning curve for sure! There are ph charts online, if you are interested in getting more examples? Thanks again!
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Post by Sher on Mar 25, 2021 13:16:12 GMT -5
Our well water is pH 7.0 and varies between 37 and 38 ppm.
We bought bottled water before we moved here. Ours is delicious!
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Post by maskedsonnet on Mar 25, 2021 13:22:54 GMT -5
I have to do the same, I like the 16oz tumblers even though I have to refill them a lot. They also come with a 5 year warranty for the Rambler, which is the 16oz tumbler. I've never had leak problems and they hold the heat/cool really well
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Mar 25, 2021 14:54:35 GMT -5
Post by campingcorgis on Mar 25, 2021 14:54:35 GMT -5
Our well water is pH 7.0 and varies between 37 and 38 ppm.
We bought bottled water before we moved here. Ours is delicious!
Our water tastes really good. No issues there. 7 is a nice neutral level, but we're wanting to get the benefits of the higher pH water. In the range of 8.5 to 9.5, is what we are thinking. Alkaline 88 is, like it's name, 8.8. Essentia water claims 9.5. The bigger issue becomes, we're told, that in order to get the benefits of that alkaline water, it needs to be consumed quickly. They say, after 48 hours, just dump it and get new. Not very practical with water one is buying, that has already been bottled and shipped, etc.? I'll post the results of today's testing, if it seems interesting?
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Mar 25, 2021 14:57:26 GMT -5
Post by campingcorgis on Mar 25, 2021 14:57:26 GMT -5
I have to do the same, I like the 16oz tumblers even though I have to refill them a lot. They also come with a 5 year warranty for the Rambler, which is the 16oz tumbler. I've never had leak problems and they hold the heat/cool really well I understand. I used to carry around a 32oz bottle. It was a pain, but it allowed me to have water with me, from a known source. I filled at home and then mid-day, I filled again with the water cooler water at work. By the time I made it home again, I had my 64oz suggested daily intake done. Anything more was bonus! Since I no longer travel to an office, a 16oz tumbler should work well...if I can work out refill times & stick to them???
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Post by maskedsonnet on Mar 25, 2021 15:35:45 GMT -5
Lol I had to put alarms on my phone because of how BUSY it gets at work, I forget to eat and drink. Got a good scolding from the doctor about that! Now from 0600-1600 every two hours my phone goes off to tell me it's time to chug anything left in the cup!
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Post by campingcorgis on Mar 25, 2021 16:26:14 GMT -5
Lol I had to put alarms on my phone because of how BUSY it gets at work, I forget to eat and drink. Got a good scolding from the doctor about that! Now from 0600-1600 every two hours my phone goes off to tell me it's time to chug anything left in the cup! Good for you!! That is a good reminder & glad you listen to the doctor! I'm kind of looking at the 30oz Yeti Tumbler. I'll have to check it out at the store.
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Mar 25, 2021 16:52:46 GMT -5
Post by campingcorgis on Mar 25, 2021 16:52:46 GMT -5
So, our water tested as 7.1 pH. The softener is still doing its job and the hardness is less than 1 grain. The outside water remains much as it was years ago with 9 grains of hardness. But, zero chlorine in the house and tons from the outside spigot. Funny, because we never notice the chlorine and we are kind of sensitive to it. In California, the odor was very obvious. It does make me wonder if the chlorine, well, the lack of chlorine is more of a factor in my AG gardens' health than the added potassium?
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Mar 25, 2021 17:36:23 GMT -5
Post by airscapes on Mar 25, 2021 17:36:23 GMT -5
just my 2cents worth, no expert on the subject but from what I gather, a water soften that uses salt would probably be bad for plants, which I think is what most use, I know folks that have them and they have spoke of the salt. If your uses prostomium, that is better for the plants. No idea about high ph water, my city tap water is 6.6 according to my test strip and my RO with mineral (Cal & Mag) replacement is 5.5 and is the best tasting water I have had the pleasure to drink out of the faucet in the kitchen. I also added a UV filter to the system as well. It has been installed since Dec so not sure on how it will hold up but so far I like it a lot! This is the one I have www.theperfectwater.com/home-master-artesian-full-contact-reverse-osmosis-water-filtration-system.htmlGood Luck with what you buy, and hopefully the High PH is not just snake oil and has real benefit.
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Mar 26, 2021 16:11:23 GMT -5
Post by campingcorgis on Mar 26, 2021 16:11:23 GMT -5
Thanks for the response, airscapes. I'm fortunate to be in a position that I do not need an RO system. Both from the waste standpoint and the increased acidity, like you are experiencing. My city water is a nice, neutral 7 pH. So, about as perfect as one could hope to have. But, being supplied from an artesian well, it has a lot of minerals. You are probably aware that minerals, of course, build up and can be both harmful and a complete bother for appliances, fixtures and surfaces. So, when we were purchasing new appliances and generally making this home our home, we chose to install the water conditioner/softener. Being well aware of the issues with salt, we chose a unit that allows us to use potassium instead of sodium and allows us to choose the amount of "hardness" (minerals) we wish to keep in the water we use. Like you, we love our water! We are spoiled by the great taste and feel of it. There are only 2 places where I feel I can truly enjoy a shower. My home and my RV. When you say, "If your uses prostomium, that is better for the plants." I'm going to assume you mean "potassium," as I'm pretty confident I don't have any worms in there, "prostomium" or otherwise... If I did, I would have to come up with a solution for that sooner, rather than later! I once had an apartment that had brine shrimp, direct from the tap! Ugh!!! Visible to the naked eye, as they say!
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Post by airscapes on Mar 26, 2021 17:35:43 GMT -5
Yup, the mineral not the worm.. Shrimp from the faucet.. that brings new meaning to drinking you dinner!
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Post by maskedsonnet on Mar 26, 2021 17:58:11 GMT -5
On the subject of softeners, my parents installed one a couple years ago, after YEARS of hard water (they have their own well). My Dad sent me an email about it because it works in a really interesting way, and I finally found the email he sent me about it, I KNEW I had it saved somewhere - it doesn't use any chemicals, the only consumable is electricity. And I definitely noticed a difference in their water quality when I visited them after it was first installed! I thought it was pretty neat too, but the city water I get here is fine so I never bought one for myself. A cool way to avoid adding stuff to your water!
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Post by patricia43 on Aug 27, 2023 9:18:13 GMT -5
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Aug 28, 2023 11:41:25 GMT -5
Post by Shawn on Aug 28, 2023 11:41:25 GMT -5
I have never heard of it
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