tdse
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Post by tdse on Dec 15, 2023 14:56:18 GMT -5
Excuse me while I vent...our electricity rates here in New Hampshire are just awful. I'm probably going to have to look at shutting down some of my gardens, or maybe shortening the photo period. Two bills ago, our monthly bill was $274.00 Last month it was $301.00, and just got this months bill....$358.00. Ugh!
I created a spreadsheet to account for electricity costs for all of my gardens, and it looks like my total AG usage (including 3 light panels) is running about $60/month.
Question - I have a lot of gardens running a photoperiod of 16-18 hours daily. Assuming I *can* customize those hours (hopefully), what is the negative impact of doing so? Would it just be slower growth?
I may just end up consolidating and shutting down a couple gardens, and 1 or two of the panels (Kratky jars). I mean who needs things like colorful flowers that bring a bit of joy in winter?
/vent
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Post by scarfguy on Dec 15, 2023 15:14:39 GMT -5
You could cut the photo period down a bit. I have always had my AGs running at 15 hours and I'm sure you could go to 14 hours without notice. I think you would just experience a little slower growth.
AND... yes, you do need pretty flowers blooming in the middle of winter for your mental well being.
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Post by Clovis Sangrail on Dec 16, 2023 1:03:00 GMT -5
I did some spreadsheet maths using the equations AG provided here -- How much energy does the AeroGarden use?Using .14 per kilowatt hour, which is the average price around my part of the country, I calculated the following monthly costs for the four classes of AG -- Sprout -- 82 cents a month Harvest -- 1.45 a month Bounty -- 3.02 a month Farm -- 7.94 a month This assumes 15 hours a day for 30 days. I also found that shortening the light time an hour saves very little -- Sprout -- 5 cents a month per machine Harvest -- 10 cents a month per machine Bounty -- 20 cents a month per machine Farm -- 53 cents a month per machine The savings comes in shutting down units. If I had five Farms, I'd be paying about 40 bucks a month in electricity. Shutting down one unit cuts that by 20 percent, whereas cutting back the lights by an hour only saves 6.67 percent. For me, with 5 Harvests and 2 Bounties and a rate of .14 per kWh, I'm paying a little over 13 dollars a month to power my AGs. Not much, but it still needs to be taken into account when doing a cost benefit analysis. Here's the spreadsheet. Feel free to check my maths. If anyone wants it, let me know, and I'll figure out how to get it to you. Conclusion -- Sprouts and Harvests are relatively cheap to run. Bounties and Farms, not so much. A room full of Farms can quickly eat up your gardening allowance.
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tdse
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Post by tdse on Dec 16, 2023 8:59:10 GMT -5
I did some spreadsheet maths using the equations AG provided here -- How much energy does the AeroGarden use?Using .14 per kilowatt hour, which is the average price around my part of the country, I calculated the following monthly costs for the four classes of AG -- Sprout -- 82 cents a month Harvest -- 1.45 a month Bounty -- 3.02 a month Farm -- 7.94 a month This assumes 15 hours a day for 30 days. I also found that shortening the light time an hour saves very little -- Sprout -- 5 cents a month per machine Harvest -- 10 cents a month per machine Bounty -- 20 cents a month per machine Farm -- 53 cents a month per machine The savings comes in shutting down units. If I had five Farms, I'd be paying about 40 bucks a month in electricity. Shutting down one unit cuts that by 20 percent, whereas cutting back the lights by an hour only saves 6.67 percent. For me, with 5 Harvests and 2 Bounties and a rate of .14 per kWh, I'm paying a little over 13 dollars a month to power my AGs. Not much, but it still needs to be taken into account when doing a cost benefit analysis. Here's the spreadsheet. Feel free to check my maths. If anyone wants it, let me know, and I'll figure out how to get it to you. Conclusion -- Sprouts and Harvests are relatively cheap to run. Bounties and Farms, not so much. A room full of Farms can quickly eat up your gardening allowance. Makes sense that shutting down a garden completely would reduce costs more than a reduced photoperiod. I did something similar to your spreadsheet (funny, our kWH per hour charge is the same), but our electricity supplier tacks on a huge delivery fee. For example, of my $357.43 recent bill, "only" $196.59 was for actual "supply" (energy used) - $160.84 is for delivery. And their delivery fee is a percentage of the actual usage. So while my 11 gardens and 3 light panels only totaled $36.45 in energy usage, they also pulled in another $19.80 in delivery charges, for a total of $59.21. I love my gardens, especially in the winter, which is pretty dreary and blah here. I can't see myself actually shutting down gardens to save a couple $$ (might have to take a hard look at my Amazon spending habits first, lol), but maybe if I can reduce a couple photoperiods without significant negative impact, I might be able to save a little.
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Post by lynnee on Dec 16, 2023 23:37:26 GMT -5
tdse, electricity in California is very expensive, too. I haven't done the math, but my experience with the electric bill supports your conclusions. The real savings come from running fewer gardens. (A rule of thumb for a Bounty is that it requires the electricity of a 60-watt incandescent light bulb--I think I got that from the AG post about electric usage.) At the moment I'm running three Farms and six Bounties, which is as much as I have time for anyhow. I justify the expense as a hobby--ya gotta do some things that give you pleasure! It's less expensive than my knitting and LEGO hobbies; it saves a little on the grocery bill; and it saves a lot on buying flowers from a nursery for the patio display in my avatar!
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Post by airscapes on Dec 17, 2023 9:58:30 GMT -5
Excuse me while I vent...our electricity rates here in New Hampshire are just awful. Have you shopped for a power provider? What is your rate and is it fixed? www.energy.nh.gov/engyapps/ceps/shop.aspxLooking at the few providers the offer it is a bit hither than here in PA. I think my last contract was in May and was still under $.08 KWH
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tdse
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Post by tdse on Dec 17, 2023 10:04:53 GMT -5
tdse , electricity in California is very expensive, too. I haven't done the math, but my experience with the electric bill supports your conclusions. The real savings come from running fewer gardens. (A rule of thumb for a Bounty is that it requires the electricity of a 60-watt incandescent light bulb--I think I got that from the AG post about electric usage.) At the moment I'm running three Farms and six Bounties, which is as much as I have time for anyhow. I justify the expense as a hobby--ya gotta do some things that give you pleasure! It's less expensive than my knitting and LEGO hobbies; it saves a little on the grocery bill; and it saves a lot on buying flowers from a nursery for the patio display in my avatar! Thank you & I do agree I have to look at it this way - I don't spend a lot, spend almost nothing in gas (work from home), rarely eat out...and my gardens do bring me joy. And they save me a TON of money vs. buying seedlings in the spring for my outside garden. Your patio flowers are beautiful!
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Post by tdse on Dec 17, 2023 10:06:18 GMT -5
Excuse me while I vent...our electricity rates here in New Hampshire are just awful. Have you shopped for a power provider? What is your rate and is it fixed? www.energy.nh.gov/engyapps/ceps/shop.aspxLooking at the few providers the offer it is a bit hither than here in PA. I think my last contract was in May and was still under $.08 KWH Yes - thank you. We changed suppliers about a year ago when you rates skyrocketed to about .22 cents per kWH hr. So we're locked in now at .14 cents/kWH for the next couple years. It's about average here.
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Post by lynnee on Dec 17, 2023 10:48:22 GMT -5
Our electricity costs $0.389 per kwh for off-peak usage, and $0.428 per kwh for peak usage. On our plan, peak usage is weekdays from 5 to 8 pm. We could lower the bill slightly by choosing a plan that charges for peak usage between 4 and 9 pm, but that's awfully inconvenient. Our bills are going up by an average 30% in January, to pay for undergrounding power lines everywhere, to prevent wildfires. (And maybe to make it possible to buy fire insurance for homes again.) Fortunately, I support this! It was too much when an overhead power line sparked a fire that burned down the whole city of Paradise, CA a few years ago. The only significant alternative is to go solar. We would probably do that if the power would stay on during general outages, but it doesn't unless you pay more for special equipment.
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Post by tdse on Dec 18, 2023 13:43:40 GMT -5
Our electricity costs $0.389 per kwh for off-peak usage, and $0.428 per kwh for peak usage. On our plan, peak usage is weekdays from 5 to 8 pm. We could lower the bill slightly by choosing a plan that charges for peak usage between 4 and 9 pm, but that's awfully inconvenient. Our bills are going up by an average 30% in January, to pay for undergrounding power lines everywhere, to prevent wildfires. (And maybe to make it possible to buy fire insurance for homes again.) Fortunately, I support this! It was too much when an overhead power line sparked a fire that burned down the whole city of Paradise, CA a few years ago. The only significant alternative is to go solar. We would probably do that if the power would stay on during general outages, but it doesn't unless you pay more for special equipment. Wow...ok, I'm done complaining. That's crazy expensive. If I factor in the delivery charges that are crazy here, it comes out to about 0.25 per kWh, and I think that's insane. Totally agree with you on the underground lines. While we don't have fires here like you do, we do have a lot of power outages related to downed lines in the winter (snow/ice). A few years back our power was out for close to 2 weeks.
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